Join Texas Scorecard’s Michael Quinn Sullivan in a conversation with Buck Johnson, a native Texan and firefighter who hosts the liberty-focused “CounterFlow” podcast.

Johnson brings a unique perspective to his national podcast, interviewing a wide range of thought leaders, authors, and researchers. His conversational style and intellectual curiosity makes big ideas on economics and political engagement approachable.

In this conversation, the two men explore the origins of the Johnson’s podcast – of which Texas Scorecard is a sponsor – and his journey of faith and political awakening.