Today we sit down with Nate Hochman, who just wrote a fantastic piece drawing attention to the difference between Greg Abbott’s rhetoric about Texas’ border policy and the actual results of his border plan.

Most politicians’ rhetoric and results don’t often match up, and Greg Abbott is no exception. Nate was gracious enough to come and walk through this in-depth article with us.

I’m truly grateful for the true journalists who are out there. They are becoming harder to find on both sides of the political aisle. If you haven’t followed Nate’s work, I would encourage you to do so.

I hope you enjoy today’s conversation.